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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://ottodestruct.com/blog/2008/advertising-and-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 05:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>naw... I&#039;ve got to disagree on the &#039;liking&#039; part.  Mostly on &#039;principal&#039; grounds, not that anyone accuses me of having principals to start with.

A person pays a rather high price for a game and service. I&#039;m not one of those hippy types to debate profit margins or whatnot, but realistically we can agree these games arent cheap. And seeing product placement isnt new - like speed demon racing games with energy drink advirts (Wipeout and redbull) or those modern-era combat games showing a hilariously sarcastic tattered billboard ad for UN peace programs. Dive Belize or Ski-Doo adverts in watersports games.

But actual political advirts?  No, no... thats just going too far. Redbull is one thing...it ads flavor to the game. Blowing up a Starbucks in urban warfare almost seems a natural.  But paying a lot of money to have political adverts?

The huge difference is that political ads are NEVER straightforward accurate and have only 3 responses... none, agree, disagree. Thats an instant (potential) 30% of people that payed for the game are gonna get pissed at seeing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>naw&#8230; I&#8217;ve got to disagree on the &#8216;liking&#8217; part.  Mostly on &#8216;principal&#8217; grounds, not that anyone accuses me of having principals to start with.</p>
<p>A person pays a rather high price for a game and service. I&#8217;m not one of those hippy types to debate profit margins or whatnot, but realistically we can agree these games arent cheap. And seeing product placement isnt new &#8211; like speed demon racing games with energy drink advirts (Wipeout and redbull) or those modern-era combat games showing a hilariously sarcastic tattered billboard ad for UN peace programs. Dive Belize or Ski-Doo adverts in watersports games.</p>
<p>But actual political advirts?  No, no&#8230; thats just going too far. Redbull is one thing&#8230;it ads flavor to the game. Blowing up a Starbucks in urban warfare almost seems a natural.  But paying a lot of money to have political adverts?</p>
<p>The huge difference is that political ads are NEVER straightforward accurate and have only 3 responses&#8230; none, agree, disagree. Thats an instant (potential) 30% of people that payed for the game are gonna get pissed at seeing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Otto</title>
		<link>http://ottodestruct.com/blog/2008/advertising-and-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1061</link>
		<dc:creator>Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s intentional. Newest first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s intentional. Newest first.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://ottodestruct.com/blog/2008/advertising-and-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comments are backwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comments are backwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Tremblay</title>
		<link>http://ottodestruct.com/blog/2008/advertising-and-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Tremblay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(If Jeffro&#039;s show wasn&#039;t so long I&#039;d have more transcribed by now. *grin*)

I think this relates to links from WP.org&#039;s theme repository back to sites that provide, primarily or secondarily, themes that are &quot;premium&quot; or &quot;proprietary&quot; or &quot;commercial&quot; ... using a GPL community to hook into commercial activity. In effect, gaming an OpenSource project.

Quite coincidentally while snooping RSS parsing (I got /nuthin&#039;/ done this afternoon!) I came across these 2 by Duncan Riley. I don&#039;t like his tone, but he&#039;s not so over the top that his points get blown away:
&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inquisitr.com/11963/more-hypocrisy-from-mullenweg-and-wordpress-with-new-themes-jihad/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More Hypocrisy from Mullenweg and WordPress with new themes jihad&lt;/a&gt;&quot;
&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/22/how-grey-is-your-valley-making-money-from-open-source/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How Grey Is Your Valley: Making Money From Open Source&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (good comments by Matt here)

I think I put it quite well in chat, but neither Jeffro or Matt got what I meant: I think it matters if I follow a link from the repository to a free theme and don&#039;t have a pitch pushed in my face. If that&#039;s so, then I don&#039;t care if there are &quot;proprietary&quot; themes on the site. At least I didn&#039;t get fished in.

cheers
--bentrem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(If Jeffro&#8217;s show wasn&#8217;t so long I&#8217;d have more transcribed by now. *grin*)</p>
<p>I think this relates to links from WP.org&#8217;s theme repository back to sites that provide, primarily or secondarily, themes that are &#8220;premium&#8221; or &#8220;proprietary&#8221; or &#8220;commercial&#8221; &#8230; using a GPL community to hook into commercial activity. In effect, gaming an OpenSource project.</p>
<p>Quite coincidentally while snooping RSS parsing (I got /nuthin&#8217;/ done this afternoon!) I came across these 2 by Duncan Riley. I don&#8217;t like his tone, but he&#8217;s not so over the top that his points get blown away:<br />
&#8220;<a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/11963/more-hypocrisy-from-mullenweg-and-wordpress-with-new-themes-jihad/" rel="nofollow">More Hypocrisy from Mullenweg and WordPress with new themes jihad</a>&#8221;<br />
&#8220;<a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/22/how-grey-is-your-valley-making-money-from-open-source/" rel="nofollow">How Grey Is Your Valley: Making Money From Open Source</a>&#8221; (good comments by Matt here)</p>
<p>I think I put it quite well in chat, but neither Jeffro or Matt got what I meant: I think it matters if I follow a link from the repository to a free theme and don&#8217;t have a pitch pushed in my face. If that&#8217;s so, then I don&#8217;t care if there are &#8220;proprietary&#8221; themes on the site. At least I didn&#8217;t get fished in.</p>
<p>cheers<br />
&#8211;bentrem</p>
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		<title>By: Roon</title>
		<link>http://ottodestruct.com/blog/2008/advertising-and-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1058</link>
		<dc:creator>Roon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have played any of the latest EA games, you are pretty much required to have an internet connection, as without one you don&#039;t get a soundtrack (internet radio station), and all in game challenges set by other players (half the fun in Tiger 09!) will be missing too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have played any of the latest EA games, you are pretty much required to have an internet connection, as without one you don&#8217;t get a soundtrack (internet radio station), and all in game challenges set by other players (half the fun in Tiger 09!) will be missing too!</p>
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		<title>By: The Liquor Fairy</title>
		<link>http://ottodestruct.com/blog/2008/advertising-and-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1057</link>
		<dc:creator>The Liquor Fairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto. I am a little surprised when technology occurs and you are not in the loop; you&#039;ve rattled
my foundation of the natural order of things.

AT Mike- Love LOVE your comment, made me laugh out loud. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto. I am a little surprised when technology occurs and you are not in the loop; you&#8217;ve rattled<br />
my foundation of the natural order of things.</p>
<p>AT Mike- Love LOVE your comment, made me laugh out loud. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Air Traffic Mike</title>
		<link>http://ottodestruct.com/blog/2008/advertising-and-gaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1056</link>
		<dc:creator>Air Traffic Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other breaking news, John McCain has adapted to new technology, and is sending out his message on the HAM and Shortwave Marconi systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other breaking news, John McCain has adapted to new technology, and is sending out his message on the HAM and Shortwave Marconi systems.</p>
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